Teaching the Articles of Faith
So I teach the Articles of Faith on Wednesday night. By the grace of God, I might get through the Trinity.
With the Spirit's help,
Joseph
A forum for discussion, reflection, and calls to action. Everyone is welcome.
Just want to clue everyone in to another new Nazarene blog that, after months of deliberation and conversation, I've finally set up. In no way do I want to draw attention away from Nazarene Roundtable, and I intend to continue to be active here as well as there, but my idea for this new blog was to create a forum focussed on the worship practice(s) and prospects in the Church of the Nazarene, with particular interest in the situation of the local church(es).
Anyway, here is my description, copied from the site:
"Sacramental Nazarenes is an online discussion space for members of the Church of the Nazarene who share a deep concern for the worship of our churches. We are devoted to thinking about the past, present and future of our liturgical tradition(s) and sacramental life and desire to explore together what it means to worship in Spirit and in Truth."
Like Nazarene Roundtable, this site is open to all who associate themselves (although not necessarily by membership) with the Church of the Nazarene. Comments are open to all, but in addition, I will gladly give member status and full posting privileges to anyone who expresses interest in contributing...the more the merrier. Just shoot me an email if you want me to add you.
So help me spread the word - I'm especially keen to involve Nazarene pastors and lay ministers who are either doing new (to us - old, liturgically) and daring things in their local churches - you know, things like using the lectionary or responding to scripture readings with "Thanks be to God," or (golly!) weekly or in any way more regular than usual communion services - or those who simply desire for something more and are open to what such "ancient-future" traditions might have to offer.
My friend Zack forwarded me a three email conversation he had with a worker in
Grace and Peace to All,
Joseph A. Wood
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: joseph wood
To: Zack Hunt
What's funny to me is the fact that a licensed minister can be a senior pastor of a local church who administers the sacraments, preaches, and is the spiritual leader of a congregation. Ordination is not required when the Church needs pastors, although one is not charged and commissioned to do these things until ordination.
Ironically, I was in an ordination service for the East Tennessee District Assembly last night. Four were ordained as elders, and one as Deacon. The funny thing is the fact that all four Elder candidates are full-time senior pastors and have been for at least one year. How does this happen? The charge of the Licensed minister is basically, do everything you need to do to be ordained, which includes ministry, but ministry as an associate. Also, the licensed minister may administer the sacraments, BUT only under the SUPERVISION of an ordained minister. So does this mean that the licensed minister/senior pastor has to call an ordained minister to come to every Eucharist and every Baptism? Of course not! These licensed minister in the senior pastoral role administers the sacraments, whether there be an ordained elder present or not. So who is supervising the licensed minister?
Is it the fact that we need pastors on the District and this allows for licensed ministers to take on the role, or does it mean that the difference in licensed and ordained is a mere certificate on the wall? This alone downplays the ordination service for me. Knowing that on Sunday, the former licensed minister will enter the pulpit as he did last Sunday, only now he has been prayed for by the host of East Tennessee Elders and his majesty, the General Superintendent. Is his ministry now valid? Is his previous ministry marked as invalid, or incomplete? Most certainly not!!! Our Church needs to either uphold what has been mandated by the manual, or rewrite what has been superfluously written. Why add, in almost every by-law of the manual, "by recommendation and approval of the District Superintendent and the District Advisory Board, this (insert law) can be bypassed"(paraphrased by me, obviously). In other words, most laws in our Church Manual can be underwritten and bypassed by the approval of the District Superintendent and the District Advisory Board.
What does this say of our Denomination? Are we that much in need of pastors that we have to place licensed ministers in senior pastoral roles even before ordination? How many senior pastors in the Episcopal, Presbyterian, Catholic, Methodist, or even Baptist churches are not ordained? Although, I'm not a big fan of the guidelines for Baptist ordination, that church still ordains, charges, and confers the orders of ministerial ordination to every pastor.
I know I am speaking as a licensed, not ordained, minister, but these are my observations. I also know that I am a candidate for Ordained Deacon and not Elder, but these observations apply more to the elder than to the Deacon.
Thoughts? Concerns?
Rev. Joseph A. Wood :-)
Zack Hunt wrote:
I filled out a profile with headquarters. They sent me the list of pastors they were going to send my profile too, but it had me listed as "Rev." so I email them back pointing out the mistake. This is what our headquarters said.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Darlene Friend
To: Zack Hunt
From: Zack Hunt
To: Darlene Friend
To whom it may concern:
The list of pastors who would be receiving my profile has me listed as "Rev." and I am not yet ordained. Thanks,
Zack Hunt